|
|
Post by Aslana_dalMare on Jan 23, 2012 20:16:48 GMT -5
I have an update to my previous info on whether favor in the castle is gained more quickly by gaming or by mingling. I'm posting here and not in the DC forum because I prefer the formatting and editing options here. Anyone is welcome to repost any of this stuff over there if they wish.
I used 3 alts, with level/number of fighter guild skills included. Starting guts/wits/charm and attack/defense/skill are given for each, and court rank is also included.
Alt 1, rank 3 (captain): level/berzerks = 23/13, g/w/c = 168/170/267, a/d/s = 337/446/1960
Alt 2, rank 2 (knight). : level/berzerks = 22/10, g/w/c = 138/151/265, a/d/s = 222/363/1312
Alt 3, rank 3 (captain): level/berzerks = 22/ 9 , g/w/c = 144/134/247, a/d/s = 356/368/2076
Methodology: I recorded starting favor. I then spent one day's entire quests mingling in the castle. The next day I spent all quests gaming. Notice the quests spent each day were identical per character. I recorded favor at the end of each day.
(This order avoids bias since it follows the heuristic that lower characters do better mingling than gaming, and the assumption that higher characters do better gaming. Each character did get the extra 10% quests both days from resting at Silas's - I made a note of the number of quests spent each day, and I subtracted the 1 quest required to enter the castle. I also noted how many times each character got injured gaming, and the stat gain for each.)
Alt 1: ............start favor - 6344
day 1, mingled 139 quests - 6605 --> gained 261 favor from mingling, gained 7 charm
day 2, .gamed 139 quests - 6703 --> gained 98 from gaming, gained 5 guts (injured 3 times)
Alt 2: ............start favor - 6236
day 1, mingled 135 quests - 6452 --> gained 216 favor from mingling, gained 5 charm
day 2, .gamed 135 quests - 6612 --> gained 160 from gaming, gained 8 guts (injured 3 times)
Alt 3: ............start favor - 5864
day 1, mingled 135 quests - 6096 --> gained 232 favor from mingling, gained 3 charm
day 2, .gamed 135 quests - 6221 --> gained 125 from gaming, gained 5 guts (injured 2 times)
Summary: I did better with these alts by mingling. If there is a trait required to do better gaming than mingling, these guys don't seem to have it yet. This is clearly not exhaustive but combined with what I wrote previously it certainly suggests mingling is better at or below the levels, stats and attributes of these alts.
It's interesting to note that gain in guts seems positively correlated with gain in favor from gaming, and number of injuries seems negatively correlated with it. Also, there is no relationship suggested between number of injuries and gain in guts.
|
|
|
|
Post by Gawayn on Jan 23, 2012 20:25:34 GMT -5
I've always wondered about this. An interesting setup! An easy to follow format...you even use colors, for those of us who don't like words  ...a great experiment! ;D |
|
|
|
Post by Aslana_dalMare on Jan 23, 2012 20:43:23 GMT -5
Thanks, Gawayn, I appreciate the kind feedback! And congrats on being Member of the Year in W&W - I bet that takes a LOT of work and donated time!
|
|
|
|
Post by orrv7 on Jan 24, 2012 9:08:44 GMT -5
Thanks Aslana, this is great info.  Please keep us updated on your progress if you can.  |
|
|
|
Post by Dragon_Stalker on Jan 24, 2012 19:45:56 GMT -5
I remember your questions in Salamander's tavern on this subject a few months back. It's very great to ascertain which factors affect gaining favor, from all court activities, that way the best combination can be used to maximize speed and ease for gaining ranks. Having made many alts myself, I've done quite a bit of experimenting as well, and have concluded that 3 things primarily affect favor increase: 1. Player Rank 2. Players Stats 3. Court Activity Without specific numbers for each, these few truths are obvious. Mingling works BEST for characters with HIGH charm, and LOW rank. Gaming/Boasting works BEST for characters with HIGH guts, and HIGH rank. Dicing works BEST with LOW wits, and HIGH rank (you gain favor by losing). Generally, gaming works better than mingling over 150 guts, unless the character rank is still really low (squire-Viscount). I hope this will somehow help your experiments, and I'd love to share some of my own numbers when you get the chance to continue this project a bit more |
|
|
|
Post by Gawayn on Jan 24, 2012 20:59:57 GMT -5
Thanks, Gawayn, I appreciate the kind feedback! And congrats on being Member of the Year in W&W - I bet that takes a LOT of work and donated time! Thank you for your kind words, Aslana. As for being MOY, all you need to do is bribe or kill off enough people and you're in. |
|
|
|
Post by Torra on Feb 4, 2012 11:51:45 GMT -5
Great Job on presenting Great info, Aslana! AND, your use of the word Heuristic has apparently got Gawayn all confusticated...due to his obviously demented comment "for those of us who don't like words". ?!?!?!? Honestly, Gawayn, who are you trying to kid...you LOVE words! Me, I love words AND pretty colors. Please, Aslana, keep us posted on your future data analysis....I have a deep abiding love of empirical evidence. ;D And Gawayn, I'm still waiting for my bribe!! Or, *gasp*, am I on the hit list?!??!  *watches her back* |
|
|
|
Post by Aslana_dalMare on Feb 4, 2012 12:43:09 GMT -5
Great Job on presenting Great info, Aslana! Please, Aslana, keep us posted on your future data analysis....I have a deep abiding love of empirical evidence. ;D Thank you, and MEE TOO! When I see a chart, graph, table, etc., I am exactly like those dogs on UP: sentence sentence sentence SQUIRREL! Although I don't usually say 'squirrel'. But sometimes..... numbersRgood |
|
|
|
Post by james111222 on Feb 4, 2012 13:43:29 GMT -5
Fwd: DC Wiki
|
|
|
|
Post by Aslana_dalMare on Feb 9, 2012 3:38:03 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by Aslana_dalMare on Mar 13, 2012 19:50:27 GMT -5
Thank you for your kind words, Aslana. As for being MOY, all you need to do is bribe or kill off enough people and you're in. Yeah, like I believe THAT for a minute! ----------------------- After daily tracking of the favor gains of various alts, I have additional findings/conclusions to report and a recommended plan of action for anyone whose circumstances and goals are similar to mine. With low guts (less than at least 200 or so), mingling continues to give the highest favor gains, at least until favor reaches around 8k. At that time, gains in favor from mingling diminish rapidly and continue diminishing. (Favor is decelerating in mingling, at least in an interval approximately equal to [8000, 9100] - or maybe the relevant function is a spline, which is a possibility, since Seneschal was added after an established system ending in Regent, and Regent is achieved at 7800 favor) Recommendation: If you have low guts, mingle until you reach around 8k favor from mingling. At that point you’re better off returning to normal questing. If your main focus is still ranking up, then stay at squire rank while you’re questing and focus near-term on raising your guts. Once you have at least 250-300 guts, return to the castle and game the rest of the way to 9100 favor and Seneschal. The higher your guts, the more favor you’ll gain per day by gaming. (There appears to be a direct relationship between guts and favor gained from gaming; this relationship appears to be global vs. local on any particular interval(s), and could be linear. I didn't try to extrapolate the function, I just recorded some of the empirical data and generalized from it.) |
|
|
|
Post by Potato Dathron on Mar 13, 2012 21:13:57 GMT -5
I see a possible flaw in your first test: As you go up in favor, it's harder to gain more favor (as I'm sure you now know). So it was pretty much guaranteed to gain less favor in your second day, whether you mingled or gamed. The only way you could really get a better idea would be to chart favor gains from two alts that start at generally the same level, with one mingling and one gaming.
And generally, that sounds about right, what you found. That mingling gets really slow near the end. That's why I prefer to get my character to 150 guts first, then just game my way up (since at about 40-50 charm usually, mingling wouldn't be faster). It's faster than mingling first, questing for a while to get 150+ guts, then gaming to both catch up on the favor you lost questing as well as gain the rest for the next few ranks.
|
|
|
|
Post by orrv7 on Mar 14, 2012 8:13:16 GMT -5
I found that it does take longer to mingle them to sen than to game them. The various reasons that people have described here are similar to my own findings. Right now I have a group that I started mingling and another that I started with a modified version of Dath's method. The gamers are all ahead. Usually I leave them at the lowest rank possible and then go from there. This time I did something a bit different. I wanted to get some power immediately. I quickly made a few counts and then was left with the rest of the task of getting them to sen. I got them to about 2200-2800 favor and now I'm trying to quest them each time I log them in and leave about 20-30 quests. I use the last quests to game in the castle. I find that I can gain a few guts each day questing and then by using the rest to game, I can maintain my position in favor. I lose only a few points or in some cases I have gained a couple of points and have even gained a gut or 2 in the castle gaming so win win there. All the alts in question are using only stuff they found in the first few days of questing. I sent them some $$ and a few supplies and they are able to buy Doc Martins and a hat if they need it. A couple of them are using Titan Blades they got off the wheel. If I put them in decent suits I could take them to Hie Brazil and quest them there. The guts gains would be much quicker and get the alts to 150 faster. As they reach 150 guts I plan to game them to sen using all quests for each day. Hope this makes some sort of sense. Have fun!!  |
|
|
|
Post by Aslana_dalMare on Mar 18, 2012 8:48:31 GMT -5
It does make sense Orrv, and after trying to mingle all the way I definitely see the wisdom of your method, Dath.
I've decided since most of my alts are very low-level and very lacking in guts, with my last batch I'm going to get them to 7800 favor and take the Regent for now. Getting to 7800 favor purely by mingling was not too onerous; it's the journey from there to 9100 favor by mingling that was just ridiculous.
It only means one less clan power per alt, and the effort I would normally put into pushing them up that steep incline from 7800 to 9100 by mingling or gaming while still so weak, I will instead put into increasing their guts questing - and now that I've read Orrv's method, probably do as he is - then taking them back into the castle full-time to game to Sen and that last point of power. Favor gains from gaming seem to be so dependent on and directly related to guts that this could be worthwhile to me.
I know I won't get as much as if I left them at squire the whole time, but that's ok, I want to try this out and get some sense of how much that matters. Maybe I'll split them and do a modified version of what Dath suggested - some I'll leave at squire while I'm questing for guts, some I'll take to Regent first.
|
|
...a great experiment! ;D 
